elders and said # 44_ACT_23_14 # And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul. 
elders and said # 15_EZR_05_09 # Then asked we those elders, [and] said unto them thus, Who commanded you to build this house, and to make up these walls?